No failures. safety and they have been using it for quite some time now. SAO Full-Sized Pistol . I've been happy with the Kimber… I don't know about Kimbers customer service, because I havn't needed it but from what I've read it seems that people are pretty much satisfied with the return time and quality of repair, I've heard negative comments about Kimber service and I've read negative comments about Springfield service, seems to be a dead heat. I have a Kimber, I love it. I am looking at the Kimber Stainless TLE II and the Springfield Mil-Spec in stainless. I love the look, feel, and most of all, reliability that I've gotten out of my guns. B ... A forum community dedicated to Springfield Armory XD and XD-M series firearm owners and enthusiasts. I don't know anything about the newer ones so I can't comment on them. He then bought a S&W 9mm Shield. Both are very accurate, dependable 1911s. This will be the first firearm I own. Shooters with more experience than I had learned that GI spec magazines designed for 230-grain round-nose Full Metal Jacket weren’t … If you do have problems with your pistol and have to send it in, they pay for all the shipping too. Find a Retailer Originally I wanted the SA but found the Kimber at a great price so bought that. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 11 of 11 Posts. My local Dealer gets $610.00 for a Kimber Custom Classic and a little more for a Springfield Loaded, btw, my Springfield was the Loaded model. Handgun Search; Tabletop Compare; Contribute; Contact; Kimber . I second that... but I need to mention that replacing the magazines on the springfield is contributes to this reliability. Hello and welcome. What is the difference between the loaded and mil-spec? Very easy process. Built on a foundation of tradition, Springfield Armory’s cutting-edge 1911 family stands ready to deliver. All of my Colts were also excellent, accurate, dependable, and well finished. Too old and too beat up to care; hiding from our caring politians. I am just the opposite with the springfield. FTF all the damn time well past the break in period. Sig's Officer frames have a 3.3-inch barrel; the Kimber Ultra pistols have a 3-inch barrel. Springfield Armory has taken the opposite approach. Given the choice between the Springfield MilSpec and the Kimber Custom, I would choose the Kimber. Sig 1911 pistols employ an external extractor, Kimber pistols use the traditional internal extractor. I have two Kimber .45s and I have never had a FTF or FTL with either model, with hundreds of rounds downrange. I wasn't impressed. A non-II Kimber is ok. PLUS it's made in AMERICA... Everybody keeps talking about Kimber's "new fangled" safety. I just replaced my Lightweight Champion Loaded with the 45ACP. I just cannot get over the external extractor Kimber Shooting Community is a great place to start. Loaded owner here. Added a Kimber mainspring with mag well and couldn't be happier. It had to be sent back and they promptly took care of it, even throwing in a magwell and full length grips for my trouble. Because this one is about more than just comparing two companies. Sig 1911 pistols employ an external extractor, Kimber pistols use the traditional internal extractor. I have a Kimber Warrior with 500 rounds through it. I would advise you to buy a 9mm to start and work your way up to the .45. Pass on the Remington unless you get a great deal. I have looked at both. No problems, love the look and a good price...highly recommend. It is .45 Black Stainless that has adjustable night sights. Thanks a few years ago, I bought a Kimber Pro Carry II and I enjoyed shooting it. The MilSpec is considered to be a good base gun when building a custom and the Kimber is similar to build on but has some frills as standard. Springfield 100%. I like the loaded better than the RO, just dislike the adjustable sights on the 1911. I am near 2,500 rounds through my Springfield and haven't had a single issue yet regardless of the fact that I shoot cheap ammo. I looked at Kimbers and Springfields as well as several other weapons when I went looking. Sent to local gunsmith, came back with same problem. The ultra compact has been more reliable overall than the Kimber compact. Instead of taking a basic 1911 and dressing it up, they have taken a competition 1911 and dressed it down. My question is how would the folks in this Kimber forum compare functionality, reliability and overall performance between the SA Armory stainless MilSpec 1911 A-1 to the Kimber Custom TLE II (LG) in SS? Also I've seen mil-specs with pretty loose fits before and every loaded I've come across has been very tight. I have been shooting since I have been young. Sent back to Kimber (HORRIBLE customer service, btw), came back with the same problem. One step away from throwing it into a lake and heard about a 1911 gunsmith in my parent's hometown. I am getting my first firearm and the 1911 .45 seemed the the obvious choice. At first glance, it may seem somewhat odd to read a story comparing a 1911 with a CZ 75. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. I have a Kimber CDP Pro II. Compare the dimensions and specs of Kimber 1911 Pro and Springfield 1911 EMP. But I like the feel of the TLE II better. I'd rather put my money into a Springfield, And since the Springfield 1911 Mil-Spec is priced about $100-$200 less than the Magnum Research 1911, I'd be just fine with the Springfield. My Sig Sauer 2022, btw, has never had a single problem for hundreds of rounds now. I give the nod to the Kimber. I purchased my Ultra Carry II 3 years ago, and my Custom Stainless Carry II a couple months ago. (+ Point Kimber) I have heard all the problems Kimber has had. Hey Thanks everybody, keep the comments coming, but I do have another question are the Springfields made in Brazil? Both come out to about the same price, so on a mark for mark, just comparing firearms, which is the better firearm? The Second Amendment is Homeland Security. My 1911 gunsmith told me to buy a mil spec 1911 $550-650 and for about another $1000 it would keep up with my caspian. When it came time to purchase my own 1911, I went with the Springfield Loaded. From my personal experience, Springfield had less failures and was simply more reliable than the Kimber Custom II and the Kimber TLE II that I had tried. Did this to my Springfield Loaded not too long ago. Kimber Pro models, their Commander frame, comes with a 4-inch barrel; Sig's are 4.2 inches. I've already decided. I can get a really good deal on both a new Kimber and a new Springfield. ... Brian, procuring and advertising a Kimber M-1911 isn't "upgrading!!!!!" But I just wanted to know everyone's thoughts on which of these two guns to get. I think you'll do fine with offerings from either manufacturer, but my next will be a Kimber Ultra CDP for carry. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Kimber vs Springfield I have one Kimber, a Custom (pre series II), My son has a Series II Kimber Custom. The LGS has a Springfield TRP and Kimber TLE II new in stock. I'm looking to purchase my first Handgunn, and here is my dilema, I've been reading up on both, but I'm not sure which to get a Kimber Custom Royal II, which I would add nightsights to, or a Springfield Parkerized 1911-A1 loaded, which comes with night sights. Both are excellent. Mine is parkerized black (the photo is currently floating of the first page of r/1911). Take my story with a grain of salt, as my purchase was back in 2008 but I bought a Kimber Custom II and it was rife with problems. Back in the late 1800’s – and I mean really late, as in 1899 – the United States was involved in a battle with the Moros. All the Kimber needed was night sights, the fit and feel of the Kimber is much nicer, but they both function perfectly. No, 1911s and Glocks represent something altogether different, as the very soul of the firearm is at the heart of the debate. The best value in a modern 1911 is a toss up between Springfield Armory and Sig. At the age of nineteen or so, I got my second 1911, a pre-Gold Cup Colt National Match that had been produced circa 1962. Took it there, had the guy go over it stem to stern. But, don't forget Springfield now has the I.L.S. Here goes. Now, I do not like the Schwartz safety that Kimber has incorporated in their current production line, nor do I think it is needed. I have shot both Springfields and Kimbers. If you do have a FTF with a springfield it's probably a mag issue in my experience. I actually own both , a Kimber Pro TLE and Colt Combat Commander . Written by: Travis P Self Defense 23 Comments Print This Article. The Springfield was nothing but a headache from a loose plunger tube, a mag release that left me with a loose mag when inserted that you could push about an eighth of an inch and a barrel link that didn't allow a good lockup and a finish that about as durable as latex paint on steel. The platform’s title is a dead giveaway to the year the gun went into production but did you know there’s a cool backstory, too? Just my cents worth. Well first firearm is misleading. The people at the factory are always friendly and are just a phone call away to answer any question you have no matter how simple or complicated. My Kimber has required no work what so ever. I have owned four Kimbers and owned seven Colt 1911s. Colt's also been reliable , but the Kimber past 15 yds shoots tighter groups . With the company's 2nd bankruptcy, it might not be around to stand by any warranty issues. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. EDIT: Also in that price range the Ruger SR1911 is worth looking at. I had to have the plunger tube repaired at about 500 rounds on the S.A. Or, is getting a 1911 for a first handgun just da dumb idea. I bought my first Springfield 1911 in 2003. It sucks people have so many problems with Kimber these days. It was my first time stripping a 1911 past a basic field strip and/or swapping parts. It had been accurized and fitted with BoMar sights by the master USAF pistol team armorers at Lackland Air Force Base when its former owner was an airman. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I'm considering selling it and buying a Springfield range officer or loaded. The Auto-Ordnance 1911 is a close copy of the WW2 M1911A1. EDIT: Spelling. This Kimber trigger also feels better . It appears to have a very good build from the factory and other than the trigger I don't see any quick changes. Kimber no question about it. Frankly, I've had pretty darned good luck with both SA and Kimber. Based on my experience, I inform those who are interested to stay away from Kimber. I have a Remington R1 Enhanced, and I love it, but rarely shoot it and when I do, its only a couple hundred rounds at a time. Also, have you looked into the Springfield Range Officer or Loaded models? They were on Bud's just yesterday for about 800, already sold out. The Kimber doesn't like really cheap gun show special magazines (which I have a bunch of). I also have a series 80 Colt Government Model, a Colt Commander, an SA GI and an SA Ultra Compact. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The sights on the Springfield will have to be replaced with a tri-dot similar to what is on the Kimber. Between the two I would definitely take the Kimber, having owned both guns I now only own the Kimber. I just now got to the 500 round mark and it's been great. I got mine thru "pro staff" deal where I work. I was looking for it in stainless, and the RO doesn't come in stainless (from what I can tell). Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I not had any issue with my Kimber Stainless II. Edit: By more reliable, I mean that in two Kimbers I had about 3-5 failures to feed per 200 rounds. I like the TPR and know the rep that Springfield has. 1911 Vs. CZ 75: Two Legendary Guns Go Toe To Toe. VS. Springfield . I believe it's because the thing needs to be oiled generously and often and the extractor needs to be cleaned often as well. I'd like to hear your opinion. I prefer Kimber, the springfields look great and are priced great as well. Springfield MilSpec SS 1911 A-1 vs Kimber Stainless TLE II I am new again to this 1911.org forum after a long leave of absence. If I had to choose between the two......I would choose a Colt! I have a S.A. ultra compact and a Kimber compact. Kimber, Springfield, S&W, Colt and most other guns these days are built to be looked at or carried not shot on a regular basis. I think the best deal in 1911's is the STI Trojan every one that I have been around has shot wonderful and stood up well to several years of 20 to 30,000 rounds per year. JavaScript is disabled. Kimber has goos pistols, bit they are now pricing themselves into the semi-custom market. Just my opinion. The frame and slide are forged in Brazil, and then (according to their website) they are assembled one at a time in Geneseo, Illinois. Just keep her clean and oiled up. I shot my friend's and it is very nice. The Colt has the Series 80 mechanical firing pin safety I think. you're swapping a trim compact rather concealable pistol for a freaking boat anchor! I personally dislike the look of the loaded (the flair at the end of the slide). When I went through this drill I ended up with the Kimber but would not have cried if I had selected the Springfield. From my personal experience, Springfield had less failures and was simply more reliable than the Kimber Custom II and the Kimber TLE II that I had tried. Got it because it comes with ambi safety, and I am a lefty. My vote goes for the Springfield. at least 50 or 60 hand guns. Most 4" or 5" models will weigh more than the XD (36-40oz vs 30 oz for the XD), unless you get a LWt model which weigh about 27oz. Swapping out the mainspring housing will give you an excuse to upgrade to a Smith & Alexander mag guide. Featuring forged major components, a Springfield Armory 1911 is built for a lifetime of service. I own Kimber, SIG & S&W and commonly work on Colt and Springfield in the 1911 platform. Also Kimber customer service doesn't always properly diagnose and fix issues with their guns. All of my Kimbers shot well and I never had a problem with any of them and they were accurate and well finished. As the other posters said these are both very good weapons. Calibers: 9mm Luger . Anyway, serial number starting with NM is US made. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Also suspect the tighter tolerances versus a GI made 1911, I don't know. EDIT - Forgot to answer the question, Springfield all day! I have an earlier Kimber that doesn't have the new fangled safety. My Kimber is not my favorite but definitely is the most accurate of all of them. Colts.........Did I Mention I Love Colts? My kimber had to have the slide catch replaced out of the box. I like the fact that it's the same gun LAPD SWAT it using. Being able to shoot accurately and comfortably before wasting expensive .45 ammo learning to shoot is definitely a plus. So a competition shooter isn't needed, but reliability is priority number 1. My son talked me out of it and his house was broken in and it was stolen. This year, I bought a 9mm RO and I really like shooting it. I didn't know Colt was making non-80s in their lineup, maybe they are, but none of the Springfield's are. Thats 2-3 failures to completely chamber the round in nearly 12k rounds through the gun. I would go with the Mil-spec and after you ran about 500 rounds through it (you may have to have the extractor tuned) take the savings and add the things you feel you need, which for me is only grips. The SA 1911 models are fine weapons. My Springfield (loaded) needed to have sharp edges rounded for carry and the rear sight locked down. It isn't a huge deal, however I am looking for something to shoot occasionally with my dad (10 times a year maybe) and recreationally. NRA-USAF (SAC) Vietnam era Vet, Kimber Custom Defender II-Girsan 1911.45 (Hard Chrome)Franchi I-12 Diamond Semi-Auto engraved Shotgun, Mauser 8 MM Sport rifle, High Standard .22 Revolver,.22 Rifle, 20 Gage Shotgun, Phoenix HP.22 Pistol, Ruger SR22 Pistol. 1911 EMP. I don't have any direct experience with the series II grip safety FP block system, but it doesn't seem like a very good idea - I don't believe in ANY "safety devices" with the potential to reder a pistol inoperable - JMHO - georgestrings. I'm not sure how much the price of the mil-spec you're looking at is but a Springfield loaded parkerized can be had for 750-850. This is the perfect opportunity to wax poetic about firearms history for a bit. You might, however, consider the Springfield Loaded parkerized...it's a bit cheaper than the Kimber and I've heard good reports of it. Solid construction. IMHO I wouldnt buy a 1911 .45 as your first firearm. I had the Springfield trigger worked on around 10 years ago (to match the Kimber) and had night sights put on it this spring. XDM vs. Kimber 1911. Just my preference I have a series 70 with adjustables on it and would honestly lime the replace them with something else. I just joined the 1911 forum because I am going to buy a 1911 and wanted some help on which one to get. It seems that you either get a lemon or you get the greatest gun, from what I've read on many forums. It comes with night sights and other upgrades that you would probably want to make on a mil-spec anyway. I would only ever buy a Series I Kimber (i.e., used) if I had to make the choice again with the knowledge I now have. A guy at work is looking for a 1911 and wants to buy my Kimber TLE II. NO I have friends who own both, They favor the KIMBER. 1911 vs Glock. That being said I did have a few problems with the Kimber out of the box. Compare the dimensions and specs of Kimber Micro 9 and Springfield 1911 EMP Mostly .22 and trap. You are definitely on the right track. As much as this one is a contest between types of gun, it might just be a contradiction between types of shooter. Single letter (dont remember if M or N) is Brazil. When it came time to purchase my own 1911, I went with the Springfield Loaded. Unless I could find a pre-series II Kimber, I would go with a Springfield, or look for a clean, used Colt. Its what I did and was able to put close to 6000 rounds down range over the course of about 9 months before I bought my 1911. Older Kimbers were great but since they started tinkering with the design things don't always run correctly. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Many Sigs are available in MA but not all colors and models. They made a name for themselves when they were in Clackamas and have pissed on it every chance they've gotten since moving to Yonkers. Regards, Richard. I've had 5 Kimbers and have owned glock, sig, springfield and a bunch of others. From ultra-compact EMP pistols to longslide 10mm TRPs, there is a 1911 available for practically any application. SAO Compact Pistol ... Kimber 1911 Pro . After that no problems what so ever and I have ran some shit bulk ammo thru it. Springfield Vs Colt Vs Kimber 1911 And Wilson Colt 1911 Parts is best in online store. in semi auto the 1911 is the best and of all the 1911's the Kimber rocks right out of the box. I had a couple FTF with a few hollow points I was trying out within the first 200rds or so. I have 1911 45s in both Colt in Series 70 and others from Springfield My money today will go to Springfield long before Colt unless I happen on another 70 at a good price. John Browning’s 1911 Kimber is a bull barrel , Colt bushing . The firing pin block is an abomination, but they used to make guns without them. The Moros were Muslims residing in the Southern Philippines and the conflict in question was the P… Of course the springfield feels much nicer in the hand. That was a real piece of crap. Springfield has the ILS, but that is relatively inoffensive, and can easily be replaced. The 1911 is as American as apple pie, and the CZ 75 was born behind an iron curtain of communism. The Kimber has been 100 % reliable and extremely accurate with better sights than the Colt . It came with magazines I hadn’t seen before, their lips flared toward the front instead of tapered. Money is a little bit of a factor. Got it back and it's way more reliable but I STILL get an occasional FTF, including when I went for CCW qualification. Also changed the springs to all Wolff. 1911 Pro. I have a stainless S.A. thats had a thousand rounds thru it without a hitch. Springfield also makes such a pistol, but it's the GI, not the Mil-Spec. They were great. SPringfield Loaded series all the way. Around 750+ rounds fired. The gun I purchased is the Stainless Gold Match. This is just my personal experence after carrying a springfield 1911 for 6 yrs in the marines. I am either going to get the Springfield Mil-Spec or the Kimber Custom II. All of my Springers have been excellent guns. A-O's is actually the closer clone, because the Springfield uses non-authentic grip panels, and has the lock in the mainspring housing. Dollar for dollar kimber hands down. Edit: By more reliable, I mean that in two Kimbers I had about 3-5 failures to feed per 200 rounds. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. I have five KIMBERS, Would I trade one for a S.A. ? Love it. The meltdown treatment had much fewer sharp edges. I was looking at their higher end guns and the fit and finish on the kimber was much better in my opinion. It shoots great, has an incredible trigger and I've had nary a hitch with it that couldn't be related to oversized reloads. 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